Category Archives: Yahoo
I’ve actually been sitting on this post for about 6 months – which is about how often I manage to post here, so you can kind of see how the process goes.
It wasn’t a revelation in the sense that it led to some insight or allowed me access to new knowledge, but I’m not sure how else to describe it…
something like this…
My wife: You can email me, or I’ll be on Gchat when I’m in my email.
Her friend: Yeah, it’s nice that you don’t have to download anything.
That’s it. Simple as that. Nothing to download.
Now, my wife and her friend (and her friends in general) are technologically savvy, but aren’t the techie type nor usually early adopters. I guess this is part of the genius of Google. It was a lot more obvious when they rewrote pretty much every rule that existed with the release of Gmail. And while the addition of GChat [ed: and now chat in Yahoo Mail] is certainly less revolutionary, it’s another indication of where this all is headed.
Of course, as far as I can tell right now, the advantage of GChat over chat in Yahoo Mail is that GChat saves all your chats for you. It even does that when you chat using the downloaded version of the client. Yahoo Messenger saves your chat history on your hard drive. Now that you can chat in Yahoo Mail, it would certainly make sense to update that. [ed: they might have done that already, but I haven’t opened up the thick client for YMessenger in a while – it’s all about Trilian as the thinnest thick client there is]
The addition of Yahoo Web Messenger adds another level of importance to the need for syncing that history. YWM will save your history to the web, so I’m not sure if YMail also does that now as well. I could probably test it, but I’m lazy.
Since I’m writing this post now and not 6 months ago, I do feel that it warrants a mention that YWM is done in Flash/Flex. Not Silverlight. Yes, Silverlight just hit beta this week. But with what those Metaliq guys have done with it already, it would seem that Yahoo could have done Web Messenger that way if they wanted.
And since I’m inviting fanatics from both sides just by putting the words in the post, I might as well link to one of my favorite posts ever from Eric Dolecki.
Baby when the lights go out
Every single word can not express, the love and tenderness
I’ll show you what it’s all about
– When the Lights Go Out, FIVE
So, Yahoo’s probably not going to be too happy about posting me as the first word in their link shout-out the other day. Why? Because, like the prodigal son (or Web 2.0 early adopting tech ship jumper) that I am, I’ve returned to Gmail. It’s not that Yahoo Mail isn’t good. It’s just a little Coyote Ugly (in the sense that I got drunk and went to bed with something that I thought was better looking that it really was). It’s certainly better than what they had before. I think people who have only had the experience of using Yahoo are going to be more happy with it than I was.
My reasons, as concisely as I can put them, are as follows:
- Loading time. I said it was almost as fast as Gmail, but that is just long enough to make it, well, not as fast as Gmail.
- No tags. I thought I wouldn’t miss “labels” (or would be able to go back to folders). I was wrong. The ability to add multiple labels to a single conversation has utility far beyond that of folders. And the ability to classify emails without actually moving them anywhere just compounds the usefulness.
- Speaking of conversations… I have really only run into about 2 times in 2 years where having Gmail group my conversation threads together has caused a problem. Maybe people who use Gmail for their business might have more problems, but really, having emails from my wife grouped together because they have the subject of “hey” or “so…” isn’t all that bad when you consider the benefit of having all the Struts, JSF, Lazlo, etc… email lists grouped by topic. I know Thunderbird does this as well, and if I wanted a desktop-based email program, I’d probably choose Thunderbird. Grouping like that was practically visionary on the part of Google. I’m a little surprised that Yahoo doesn’t even offer the option in the new Beta.
There are several other things, like free POP access, free forwarding, the ability to send as though from a different email address, and – yes – relevant ads that don’t annoy the crap out of me. These are all small things that really only continue to tilt the thumb in favor of Gmail.
Maybe this post will help convince Manmohan Juyal that I am not the Yahoo Mail team.
I was accepted into the Yahoo Mail Beta last night! I almost yelled out Yahoo! Except that it was late. And I was tired. I left the window open all night (even though it was cold outside), just so I could make sure it wasn't some sort of cruel dream. Sometimes known as a nightmare.
Behold! In the morning it was still there. And I love it. I think it increases the amount of memory that Firefox uses, but it is worth every byte.
But, it is pretty. And it goes fast. And it comes with a keyboard shortcut for "Delete" (Google, are you paying attention?) I'm not sure about the RSS in my mailbox thing – at least not with the way they have it right now (sans folders/tags, differentiation of new vs. read, and a lack of "keep this one"-ability. And that's fine, since I have 2 good feedreaders as it is.
As an added bonus, it doesn't trap my keyboard the way the Yahoo Maps beta does.
Speaking of bonuses! It looks like WordPress has upgraded to the newest version of, well, WordPress. No more gruesome pop-up windows to handle links and HTML editing – it's all in the div's now!
Just so we’re all on the same page here… I am drinking the Yahoo Kool-Aid. But I can quit any time I want.
Case in point: The new redesign of the home page. It’s lame. I saw a comment from someone somewhere saying that it needed to be more like Google’s page. I agree. Not so much to the extent that it needs to have no content on it (since Yahoo is trying to pretend like they’re a content/media provider), but in that it needs to load fast. I don’t just mean like 1-2 seconds fast (just now, on my T-449 line at work: My Yahoo: 2.65s, Yahoo: 1.352s, Google: 0.51s), I mean like, I fire up my browser at least 10 times a day (maybe more since Firefox has started grabbing 100+ MB of my RAM, and I have to shut it down to free up those resources for my localhost server), and I need to have it start like I was looking at about:blank. If the new Yahoo page can do that, and they pay me to use it, then I will be on the train sitting in the lounge car from here to Oregon.
Yahoo confirmed on Wednesday that it’s polling some Yahoo Mail users about what they would want in exchange for making Yahoo their primary search engine. The survey was sent to a random sampling representing about 5 percent of its Yahoo Mail users, a Yahoo representative said.
The potential rewards are after the jump, and I would jump just about any of them. If Yahoo won’t do what I tell it to do, at least it is considering doing other things that will make me happy in areas where I haven’t told them what to do.
It’s called a Calendar.
There’s also a thing called a todo list.
I realize you just used up that line of equity to get the new mailbox, but I haven’t even seen that yet. Of course, I’ve heard enough about it to already be demanding upgrades to the kitchen. I don’t need granite countertops… but a dishwasher would be nice… or maybe color-coded categories for events. And the ability to choose my own event categories. And the ability to share only certain categories with only certain people. Kind of like I can do with stuff on my 360 page. Why not upgrade the stuff that is already there before making something new that extends all that old stuff? Even if it’s a fantastic extensionizer, it’s still just adding to old stuff.
I realize that you “aren’t buying Digg” but if you were going to buy someone out… I bet you could get RememberTheMilk really cheap. I mean, like throw a couple M over there and you’ve got the best Todo List app there is. Period. PS: This GTD thing is pretty hot right now. I bet people would freak the heck out if they could use your best-in-class email app to automatically create todo items in your best-in-class todo list app. There’s people writing plug-ins to do that in Outlook. That sucking sound you hear is Microsoft dollars going down the drain.